The controller then instructed the pilot to execute the published missed approached and to report established [in the hold] at IREME, and to expect the same approach. (Flight at 6,200' MSL and below was "under" based on lowest layer of BKN021 reported in the METARS for the elevation 4,154 MSL field. The KBYI AWOS observations already cited above all gave evidence of Icing Conditions of -SN (light snow) and below freezing temperatures. Newer pilot here so my apologies for any ignorance. This was not the fault of any tower on the processing plant. Hiring requires vetting and training. What a dumb place to put the potato factory, lots of open land, but yeahhh lets put factory with stem stacks right on short final. https://www.kmvt.com/2021/02/26/the-fate-of-the-burley-municipal-airport-continues-to-be-uncertain/, N928JP diverted to Twin Falls on the day before the accident. OKthere might have been steam from the various stacks on the building, but the conditions were IMC from below the MDA, all the way to breaking out a few seconds before hitting the tower. Reply. (All of the info presented below is offered with the understanding expressed in this posting and by others regarding usage of ADS-B data. The people most hurt by these comments, at what is often the worst time of their lives, shouldnt have to see baseless or inaccurate opinions of strangers about why their loved one is gone.And I wonder how many actually follow up on final reports - as in reading the full final docket - to understand the real-life nature of how the holes in the cheese line up. Average descent angle was 9.2 degrees, or a loss of 350' in those last seconds, but the approach seemed unstable from JAMID. (NTSB). LINKS:Kathryn's Report: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/10/fatal-accident-occurred-october-11-2021.html#comment-formVasAviation: https://www.youtube.com/w. From the approach plate "RNAV (GPS) RWY 20 Burley Muni BYI": The approach path angle is 3.75 degrees. The location where the witness was viewing from is a significant factor for interpreting what is reported as seen. *That's very little margin for error, and that's following the published approach on the plate. KENEDY, Texas - According to a preliminary report, a single-engine Cessna 182 that crashed on Monday took off from New Braunfels National Airport in New Braunfels, Texas. A pilot is a pilot and she made a mistake and hit something she knew was there. If the pilot could see to descend below MDA, you they think they would see the building , the tower, and or the parking lot beyond the building, so I conclude she didn't see it, due to either white out conditions or head in the cockpit, (which is absolutely normal on an instrument approach). Advertisement. Login; Sell Now; . RIP. As the Caravan started overflying the Gem factory, visibility further degraded due to the steam pulsed from the 6 stacks. The steam cloud has little to no lift. Perhaps it hit the chimney while the left wing just cleared the top. Here are the latest details into LALATE. Wasn't at night. On February 2, 2021, at 1744 central standard time, a Cessna 182Q airplane, N4765N, was destroyed when it was involved in an accident near Hackberry, Louisiana. Her life was extremely valuable to her many friends and family. "Your nonsense responses like "false" with zero explanation demonstrates that you have no actual idea what TERPS, an obstacle clearance surface, and approach minimums are. This was going under minimums on a non-precision approach and the results are as expected. I know this is an uncorrected altitude for temp/pressure so if you add the 50 to 100' as suggested above for correction, that would put the aircraft at about 4250' MSL. Yes, the N56KJ CVR transcript and the fact that the top of the tail was not cleared because "it will blow off" are important reminders of how far you can go wrong with decision making focused toward get-there-itis.Having comments on N56KJ closed is unfortunate. She established -857 and kept it there and kept going. In this case, you have an unconventional approach angle, no vertical guidance, no VASI, no PAPI. More Info. Stack is 100' AGL, 4,256' MSL per the obstruction database:16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285Full stack database discussion here:http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650113710197#c2541529799564513775. The lateral accuracy code "4" makes the horizontal tolerance of the location +/- 250 feet. @billy - No reason to expect insults. It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. 0:06. Precision matters to actual pilots. The PT-6 has a world wide reputation for reliability and resilience even under adverse atmospheric conditions. Precision matters to actual pilots. I can attest to having my aircraft rocked by turbulence simply from the warm air currents gently rising from a dark field, so I have no doubt that a concentrated column of moist hot air being spewed out of a row of smokestacks could have a very serious effect on a light aircraft. I am sorry she killed herself and thankful she did not injure or kill anything else. That's not saying it isn't a challenging approach but something else was going on here. Interestingly, he showed FAA correspondence admitting that the plant stacks penetrated the approach surface. The airplane came to rest on its right side. The only way throwing money at things would improve anything would be paying the surrounding businesses to move and take down their towers, stacks, and other obstacles that are preventing precision approaches, or move the entire airport to a more favorable location. The A/FD mentions the threshold is displayed 305 feet due to the stack. Although the intake air has to take a 180 degree turn (so called reverse flow) in order to enter the compressor section, it is possible to encounter sufficient ice and snow accumulation to cause a flameout. Rest easy. The approach path passes just above the smokestack, and there's no vertical guidance because it's LNAV only. A very strange UPS A300 crash in Birmingham was never assigned a direct cause - just CFIT below minimums. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop. Are youtube's oracles saying a silo was hit?Silos are adjacent but it was the #16-036731 stack in the obstruction database that was hit. He's getting his wish. The pilot was fatally injured. 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It's true that 109' separation isn't a lot, but the outdated overhead view of the stack that google maps shows tends to make commenters here miss the red steel base structure and sampler's work platform at the very top in the more recent street view images. Kathryn's Report (kathrynsreport.com) Kathryn's Report: This Aviation Blog Is Permanently Open (kathrynsreport.com) Edit, as Eman said, "permanently closed for a little while" , the entry now says permanently open. Sunrise was 6:56. Date: Saturday 29 May 2021: Time: 0.26639294624329: Type: Cessna 501 Citation I/SP: Their bond was unbreakable, and their most fun times were spent together, especially when traveling the world. I have done this approach alot and I don't bother with 20 when burley is at minimums or fact that I can't circle to land 24 . 1, 1, 1 1/2, 2 statute mile visibility was not previously discussed in comments.) There is no published airspeed for Engine Failure on Approach Emergency Checklist.Note: The Pratt and Whitney PT-6 Turbine was originally designed to pump water, hence the nomenclature PT for pump turbine. Left wing may have been inertia-separated.The wrecked engine bay is visible to the right of the flipped forward pilot's door and the PT-6 air plenum is identifiable in that torn open forward bay wreckage.Kameraone.com's scene video:https://www.kameraone.com/trending-stories/#7568616, For reference, a C208B PT-6 air plenum example photo:https://media.sandhills.com/img.axd?id=7257643989&wid=4326165471&rwl=False&p=&ext=&w=0&h=0&t=&lp=&c=True&wt=False&sz=Max&rt=0&checksum=MwQ%2b3%2fmnuLw%2bzq2hh%2ftYM0KEexS1%2fpTBK5zoSVQPYb8%3d, Active snow fall is captured after the 14 second mark in this video of the crash scene. Hi, thanks for the info and the link. This means the potato plant created artificial IFR conditions. -- Source links --The accident flight:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYIThe diverted flight on April 12:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220412/1300Z/KSLC/KTWFRaw archive METARs for BYI & TWF, 12 & 13 April:https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/cgi-bin/request/asos.py?station=BYI&station=TWF&data=all&year1=2022&month1=4&day1=12&year2=2022&month2=4&day2=14&tz=Etc%2FUTC&format=onlycomma&latlon=no&elev=no&missing=M&trace=T&direct=no&report_type=1&report_type=2, There wasnt a lot of time for the pilot to set up the second approach prior to the really abbreviated vectors to the final approach. A non-precision step down IFR approach to minimums is one of the hardest things any Pilot is ever called upon to do. Survivors. The FAA is expected to release the preliminary results of their investigation in the coming days. The view under the wing would give you about a mile as reported at the airport. Doesn't make sense to say "I read all the comments" and then talk about runway lighting when comments upthread established that the crash at 8:32 AM was an hour and a half after the 6:56 sunrise. Operating Certificate(s) Held: Commuter air carrier (135), Observation Facility, Elevation: KBYI,4143 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 1 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 8 knots / , 190, Departure Point: Salt Lake City, UT (SLC), Latitude, Longitude: 42.551433,-113.75969. Why not divert and avoid the known and just-previewed danger?Looking at known and possible "Not diverting this time" bias factors:- Known bias factors:1. There is no "glidepath", "decision altitude", "needles" (plural), or any sort of vertical guidance at all. MDA's are there for a reason. Steam has water vapor and is warm so it provides significantly less lift. A National Transportation Safety Board investigator arrived on the scene on Tuesday. Sorry. These facts were demonstrated to tragic effect on March 15, 2012. Brittney is survived by her parents, Sharon and Jim Bob Infanger, her siblings, Craig Infanger (Daria); Emily Goodrich (Robert); Branden Infanger (Annie); Jayden Infanger; Erica Hill (Taylor); Adrienne Rochleau (Chris); and her loving nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and cousins. but the sight picture she had of the runway end brought her into the steam cloud. You make a good point regarding the stacks based upon Google maps. Osha's 42 inch guardrail standard x 20 comes out to 70 feet.This was the image used:https://goo.gl/maps/CqTD5vsKPo3e2cK99Door opening height to clear semi trucks are 14 feet. Please keep in mind, comments on tragedies like these sometimes come from, and are seen by, people who knew them. So, again, false. Presumably, the decision to descend from cruise altitude for BYI on the accident day followed similar protocol.Let's look at the METARs available for making the real-time decision on each of those two days:The divert from BYI to Twin Falls on the day before the accident shows up as a turn toward TWF underway at 14:52:44 Z. It is possible that the Pratt and Whitney PT-6-114A, 675 shp Turbine engine experienced a flameout which would result in an immediate loss of power and subsequent descent. The two pilots in the PA-46, and the flight instructor and student pilot in the Cessna 172, were fatally injured. If visibility was 1 SM, and the ASOS is 600' west of the threshold, then the pilot broke out only 2100' (lateral distance) before the tower. For rise, the difference between the uncompensated raw reported altitudes at the two points will be used. Sunrise was at 6:56.She would have been accustomed to crossing the waterway with the railroad bridge in view on the right side during the last moments in the normal approach to the RW20 threshold.There is nothing to see that is even remotely similar to the waterway and RR bridge combination before reaching the tater plant. It seems very likely that the Caravan was out of the clouds well before reaching the MDH. Snow was observed falling. :-)Try this, cued t=140, set it to .25 speed, 2:20 to 2:31 to see plume:https://youtu.be/fNIsBWj6nok?t=140, You might want to rethink that comment about the condensation plume from the plant being "underwhelming." Really only SE piston and one helicopter showing on Flightaware. The Newmar Dutch Star is available in 37-, 40-, and 43-foot coaches. We don't need to be paying for ILS equipment when RNAV approaches allow the same minimums with zero additional ground signal equipment at a fraction of the cost. By Plane and Pilot Updated August 12, 2021 Save Article. "Clipped from the July 1975 Newsletter:https://www.ninety-nines.org/pdf/newsmagazine/197507.pdf(See pdf sheet 5)Also, a 1967 99's newsletter asks members to write Mayor Minter letters, because the Orange County Chapter was still fighting to keep SMO open at that time.https://www.ninety-nines.org/pdf/newsmagazine/196704.pdf(See pdf sheet 15, top left)If not for the Minter's efforts, SMO would have been closed and surrendered to developers decades ago. The approach plate shows the smokestack at 4,304' MSL. Granbury reports they didn't see (post crash): KGDJ 050255Z AUTO 14008KT 5SM BR OVC007 11/10 A3009 RMK AO2 T01050098,M Here are links to the Weather.gov Icing page containing the text block where the "starter" typo originated and the FAA's Flight in Icing Conditions circular:https://www.weather.gov/source/zhu/ZHU_Training_Page/icing_stuff/icing/icing.htmhttps://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_91-74B.pdf. 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