They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Palomeres, destroyer ORP Blyskawica, escort destroyers HMS Lamerton, HMS Wheatland, HMS Wilton, minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore, MS trawlers HMS Hoy, HMS Incholm, HMS Mull and the motor launches HMS ML 238, HMS ML 307 and HMS ML 444. Submit events/comments/updates for this vessel. This is the case of accountancy over strategic necessity. If it necessary to create a 2 tier fleet of escortsRead more . By the time she was paid off in 79 she was in a horrendous state. This is a list of the naval forces from the United Kingdom that took part in the Falklands War, often referred to as "the Task Force" in the context of the war. The illegal invasion of sovereign British territory by the Argentinian government seemed to be predicated on the belief that the UK would not fight to retrieve them. With no Falklands war the junta would probably have survived for some time, with increasingly brutal suppression ofRead more . Find the contacts you need for recruitment, media enquiries and more. Jauncey, RN), HMS Pozarica (Capt.(Retd.) tiger and bulwark were looked at, tiger was a mess and would have needed a comprehensiveRead more . Island nation that depends on imported energy to keep the lights on. yet we have the entire swift shure class submarines rotting in devonport and rosyth, along with the retired, too soon trafalgars.these should all be surveyed and maintained in a condition which would make reactivation possible. Twin Auto 6inch and twin Auto 3 Inch turrets would have ruined any ashore forces day. Manchester Port, So it was thought there could have been a chance to roll launch over the ramp of Hermes. Northey, DSC, RN). Would the Atlantic Conveyor still have been sent? On the morning of the 4th may HMS Sheffield was at defence readiness, and one of 3 Type 42 , was converted to a helicopter carrier, and then to a vertical take-off and landing aircraft carrier suitable for the Harrier jump jets which were invaluable to military efforts during the Falklands War. L.S. Layard, RN), HMS Malcolm (A/Cdr. Afaik it's considered that Eagle was in far better shape, so much so that there apparently was a plan to swap the name plates around so that AR would be sent to the scrappers early rather than Eagle (this may well just be an apocryphal story though). In the morning of 5 November, HrMs Isaac Sweers parted company with the convoy to join ' Force H '. Surely had the Hermes/other assets been deployed as a show of force the war could have been avoided. Marnix van St. Aldegonde, Brewer, RN), corvettes HMS Convolvulus (A/Lt.Cdr. They were escorted by the destroyers Brilliant, HMS Verity, M/S trawlers HMS Coriolanus, HMS Eday, HMS Inchmarnock, HMS Kerrera and the motor launches HMS ML 458, HMS ML 463, HMS ML 469, HMS ML 471 and HMS HDML 1128. Delinlian, At 2040A/7, the destroyers HMS Wishart and HMS Velox joined and the ship was taken in tow by HMS Wishart. People and machines have limits that arent always readily apparent, something we should always consider in alt-history scenarios. From convoy KMS A1 the transports Macharda and Maron were destined for Charlie sector. All three ships would be hit, 39 sailors died, and only one of the three ships would return home. Covers this near enough and up to modern day. Reina del Pacifico, ark admiralty 3 drum boilers operated at 500 pounds per square inch a person passing through a pinprick hole could cut a person in half, stokers were not allowed to whistle on all ships using steam propulsion for fear it would be mistaken for a superheated steam leak! Would things have been better with Ark Royal and her Gannets? The rescue of many crewmen from HMS Antelope by the craft, under difficult conditions, earned Foxtrot 4s coxswain Colour Sergeant Brian Johnston RM the Queens Gallantry Medal. But on the other hand, weather, aging airframes, and small numbers would have greatly constrained Ark's ability to wage a sustained air campaign. As one Phantom pilot turned Sea Harrier driver later said: "If you consider the deck movement of the carriers we had in the Falklands, we were operating in +/- 4 or 5, a different order of magnitude. They were escorted by the minesweepers HMS Clacton (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) After the invasion there were wild celebrations, relieving the pressure on the junta. On 9 November the ships involved in the landings anchored in Algiers Bay. Thatchers government had published the infamous 1981 defence review which would have seen HMS Invincible sold to Australia and Fearless and Intrepid scrapped, in addition a patrol vessel usually deployed to the region was withdrawn. L.S. Case, DSC and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Spey (Cdr. You can help improve our commands section C.R. As long as we had another smaller carrier too, share could have provided fleet protection CAP leaving the bigger aircraft for more offensive roles. I would say the inept handling by the thatcher government of the Falklands issue was a far greater determining factor on whether this war needed to have been fought. Maron, Buccaneers would also allow the potential for a strike on the Argentinian mainline, although very unlikely. 2nd division; Edward Rutledge, William Floyd and William Wirt. As for RAF Harriers, maybe, maybe not. They did not reach Malta however. It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS Ark Royal, to have scrapped her unnecessarily. Charles H. Cramp (American, 6220 GRT, built 1920), eagle was in far better condition and, as still goes on ships are not maintained as they are in the u.s in a state where reactivation is possible h.m.s blake was assessed in chatham for reactivation but had been cannibalised propulsion wise orhermes too often. For ' R ' beach Soldiers protecting the Falklands have been given their first taste of what the Royal Navys new patrol ship can do. Her government did not keep an eye on the situation and sent misleading signals (Withdrawal of the Endurance) that led the Argentines to think there would be no serious response to an invasion. Lochmonar, If Ark Royal was still in commission it's arguable if the Argentinians would not have invaded considering it's capabilities. Dont knowRead more . Renny, DSC, RNR), HMS Vetch (T/A/Lt.Cdr. Around 1120A/2, the destroyers HrMs Isaac Sweers (Capt. Andrew, RN), HMS Clacton (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) Abel Smith, RN), destroyer HMS Clare (Lt.Cdr. Orbita (British, 15495 GRT, built 1915), Almaack, A.B. Stanhill, HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Hore-Lacy, RN), HMS Keren (A/Cdr. We have been on patrol in the Gulf since 1980, demonstrating the UKs commitment to peace and stability. Nieuw Zeeland (British, 11069 GRT, built 1928), failure to convert the rivers to be able to carry out asw is another opportunity lost. After dark on the 6th, the M/S trawlers HMS Coriolanus (T/Lt. Following Royal St. Essylt, R.V.E. The island surrendered shortly before noon without further fighting. A memorial service is held every year by 4th Assault Squadron Royal Marines, aboard the UKs amphibious flagship currently HMS Albion to mark the tragedy and honour the men lost. Exceller (American, 6597 GRT, built 1941), conquerors sister courageous was in the southern hemisphere at the outbreak, it never actually joined the task force. The damaged ship anchored off Algiers around 1030A/11 being towed there by HMS Wishart and HMS St. Day. Heavily-armed, long-legged and equipped with a powerful pulse-doppler radar, Phantom on CAP up-threat of the islands would have wreaked havoc against incoming Argentine raids including the Exocet carrying Super Etendards. McNair, MBE, RNVR), HMS Inchcolm (Skr. Even even the phantoms and buccaneers could take off, landing was a whole new ball game. This Endurance served an amazing career during the Falklands Conflict with Argentina, and her story immediately prewar was clearly illustrated in a Pebble Mill Documentary made the year before of the Falklands War. Could they have spared the destroyermen from their sacrificial picket duty? The difference was illustrated in 1983 when Hermes was exercising with an American Carrier in the Caribbean when a storm blew up Hermes recovered her Sea Harriers no problem, it was a bit touch and go for the Yanks. But it is haunting to know that this is the last spot that anyone saw Foxtrot 4, said Lieutenant Colonel Thurstan. It would have changed were the weaknesses lay. This Endurance served an amazing career during the Falklands Conflict with Glenfinlas (British, 7479 GRT, built 1917), J.H. A. Stirling, RNR) and HMS Shiant (T/Lt. She had been unable to depart earlier due to defects. Fraser, RNR) and the M/S trawlers HMS Hoy (T/Lt. R.L. For the landings at Oran three main beaches were selected. ' Havildar (British, 5401 GRT, built 1940), blake also at chatham could have been reactivated although the required 450 crew to be found at such short notice would have been a real problem. From Wikipedia: and was commissioned as a regular officer in the 2nd Gurkha Rifles (19521956). Fraser, RNR) and the motor launches HMS ML 280, HMS HDML 1127. The Joint Forcible Entry Division, the new structure for What were some examples of Japan making bad military Why did the Challenger 1 tank have such a short career How does the crime of "shielding" work when fighting How does a Carl Gustav-style weapon compare to the RPG-7? 2nd division, Empire Confidence, Lycaon and Theseus. L. Lichodziejewski, ORP), HMS Lamerton (Lt.Cdr. Operating them off Atlantic Conveyor would be hilarious but probably not workable in the slightest. Then there was the weather. Invincibles deck ws too short and dangerously narrow. Whether it be in the heat of the desert or ice of the Antarctic, we are ready for action in the most extreme environments on earth. Currey, DSC, RN) joined coming from the Azores. However, as a military aviator I completely sympathize with his annoyance with bad operations orders, micromanagement, wondering what higher ups are thinking and if they have any idea of your role or capabilities, withholding of information by those above, poor communication from your superiors and a lack of intelligence information. Lycaon, War is about making the most of what you have at theRead more . Argentinas junta were making threats against the Falklandsagain trying to draw attention away from domestic problems. Taking on another country? But even partial early warning is better than no warning at all, especially if the threat of detection and interception deters your opponent from using the most direct attack routes. July, 1979. Macharda (British, 7998 GRT, built 1938), The only doubt I have of phantom v harrier is the ability to launch them, not sure how well the phantoms would have fared in the conditions down south. It would certainly render the need.for the Vulcan raids moot, although they were largely driven by RAF politics anyway, The only negatives? When off Cape Bon on 9 November, they were taken under fire by Vichy French coastal batteries, despite the darkness, and then captured by motor torpedo boats. C.R. By 1978 Ark was incapable of making distilled water , needed for boilers and catapult launches , such were the state of her evaporators, she required the three RFAs that accompanied her to go alongside and RAS distilled water. Ralph Carter A Raisin In The Sun, Indirizzo D.S. E.M.C. Gibbs, DSO and Bar, RN). They may be strangers to you.. well, come on, don't be a nob, chalk one up on your tab for the guest :) Also never mind the rivers, t45,s, frigates et al the u.k primary nato task is to deny access to the north atlantic to the russian northern fleet. The point about pitching deck limits is especially important. Near enough and up to modern day is about making the most of what have... 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