Most fws and 109s dont turn poorly either and will out turn a p-47 rather easily as they are heavier. Just shoot turret for an easy penetration anywhere within 2km, and watch as the king tigers ammo gives a nice firework display. Not just "comparison in a drag race", but alsooff-road mobility, power to weight ratio and turning. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming. Penetrations do just little damage. that I won't be able to catch if I miss (only to in best case scenario get about 2k sl from the kill)? The Brit needs 2-3 good hits to kill the KT, while the KT just takes one hit to blow the Cent up with huge APHE. The F-4F Phantom II is a rank VII German jet fighter with a battle rating of 11.0 (AB/RB/SB). question. One of those is a premium, one of them was added literally last month and has an abysmal stock grind, and the last one is a terrible casemate TD that happens to be somewhat faster than a medium tank. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. How to use automatic gear optimal to get the Panther moving: If you move on flat or rising terrain, roads are an exception, use the 2nd auto gear. do we not have a tank yet? The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. The issue is not that German CAS is less capable of killing ground targets. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. Apcr is often used for M26 Pershings and other various tanks so why shouldn't it be counted for the panther a. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. It is not a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding that having a whole bunch of people brand new out of 3.0 in 5.X is a problem. germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. I can't even tell whether they even attempted to add the incendiary ammunition, like the phosphor round. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. I myself often wonder why German players don't just take out their CAS when playing against 5.7-7.7 brits for example, since most of the brit tanks at that level can be easily penned even by .50 cal weapons from the air. For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. Anything that doesn't fit your narrative: step forward progressively. For the most part, this is a much slower song that focuses on being absolutely skull crushingly heavy, and it truly does succeed. From my observations, Germany only seems to be one of the most popular single nation selections that people make and many of the people being looked at are often very low level (Level 11s are common, even at 5.X). Threads 63 Messages 220. . AMX-13 GETS UPTIERED 6.7? Isn't it also truethat many of the people who play the american tree only play the US tree? That is basically telling your enemy "I am here" and to commit assisted suicide. I'd recommend not making part of the argument then to begin with, The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. He can just wait till you start to cap and go around you. According to the complaint, proof of German suffering is had in German win rates--which are often lower than their Allied peers WRs. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. Fapadoska, 1 hour ago in Questions to the Team. German CAS planes are generally heavy fighters, attackers, and bombers whereas the premier US/UK CAS planes are well equipped fighter bombers. Yes, but we should be discussing balance based on tanks that are actually in the tech tree. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. I am a german main (I know what a suprise) but since the Maus and E100 were captured you could give at least the Maus to other nations too I think. On paper there is no logical reason why Germany shouldn't be doing much better than these nations which have worse line ups and fight the same threats. Not meta. Pretty immune to 88's. Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. With this you will keep your RPM high and get moving fast. Ferdi is 7.0 and I did managed 17 kills a match. The Challenger 2 is the third vehicle of this name, the first being the A30 Challenger, a World War II design using the Cromwell tank chassis with a 17-pounder gun. First of all the amount of smoke the projectile generates when it strikes a target is ridiculous. Panther 2s didnt disappear. On 11/02/2020 at 01:49, Stuhlfleisch said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". What I don't get is the selective nature of it (hidden slope modifiers, HEAT-FS nerf). This is a battle of patience and cunning. They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. Meanwhile, what is expected of the high skill T__ player? He can just wait till you start to cap and go around you. Only salt and betrayal.Thanks for watching!Subscribe for decent content next time (hopefully). They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? history projects. The cas exists but people act like fighters dont exist in the German tree that can do as the same thing. I am losing a little over half my team (if my team is made up of mainly germans, which it generally is, otherwise about a quarter leave) before the 3 minute . NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? Powered by Invision Community. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. He can cap first and when wait till in an ambush till you start to decap. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. Scriptures from many world religions, science facts, safety & reminder tips, cuisine, sports, books, art, music, movies, TV. The Panther A apcr can go through a turret of a T series at 400 meters if I'm correct. Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). 1 Description 2 General info 2.1 Survivability and armour 2.2 Mobility 2.3 Modifications and economy 3 Armaments 3.1 Main armament 3.1.1 Ammunition 3.1.2 Ammo racks 3.2 Machine guns 4 Usage in battles 4.1 Pros and cons 5 History 6 Media 7 See also 8 External links Description His portfolio includes five books and several hundred historical articles.". Yeah, how is that even an argument? That vehicle is more treating. It kind of creates this all-or-nothing theme, which is kind of sad if we're trying to have a serious discussion here. This only works when your gun doesn't require precise aiming to penetrate your enemy. How is this true for any vehicles? Objectives are death traps usually placed in a way that does favour German CATs, but you know that quite well. It is because most of those players dont have the skill to kill and so try to get some cheap points when if they survive the cap race. And I've found that the damage output for apds is lacking I've put many rounds through tanks and if theirs more one rankits a problem as the one shot isn't likely. Highly doubtful, Go-kart's wouldn't have their infamy if more people considered such a possibility, your also implying a M18 would hide and wait for their target to leave cover which wouldn't happen for two reasons. the Jumboturret. The only way the Germans can use their strengths to dominate such maps is with good teamplay. When I play american tanks I always use the .50s to take out barrels, it's really effective as long as your enemy has a gun calibre less than 100mm. Just an observation maybe its just me. Seems many new players fell to this trap. Side turret is 150mm or higher so angling is really easy as well. Which means all you need to do is spot him first, then he's basically done for. That jump is massive and not only deprives the player of the relevant experience they'd get in that 2.3 BRs of progression but also of the lineup for support they'd have if they had the stuff from the BRs in between, As with other nations, one death leavers are a problem for Germany. In an uptier when being met by a T54. that's it. 1. That's good to hear, I know I did my part to live up to those stories. The personal well being of the person who capped it means little to the team if they have succeeded--that part of their reason for being is fulfilled by then. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that, No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--, Nuclear Sciences, Robotics, All Things Engineering, History, The best editions of doctor oz supplement pills for ed Florus are Duker s, 2 vols. Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. SIKE German mains am I right? If you do manage to pen turret you only kill 2 crew at the most, and he uses his excellent reverse gear to get away. As an experienced player who has seen matches from both sides, I know that German teams tend to be less active in their pursuit of the capture points--sometimes right from the start German teams appear reluctant to go after the caps. Contrary to popular belief there is more then one way to exploit this knowledge. In that experience, I have found that German vehicles mobility is adequate and generally competitive with these peers--despite all of the derisive talk you hear otherwise. Which is situational and works only on several maps. If you liked it, feel free to sub. The Tiger II's gun is stabilized but it doesn't bounce. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. Stop placing artificial nerfs on German vehicles and weapons; Mk 103s should have the same accuracy as allied autocannons, Panther APCR should have the historical ~260mm of pen instead of the laughable 228mm of pen in-game, and so on. The armor is nowhere never Tiger II H level. But yes, if manage to get in a flanking spot undetected you can flank with it. Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. A COMMENTARY ON THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS - Bonar. None of this is specific to Germany or the Americans mind you. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. When you have 2 identical vehicles performing differently by a noticeable margin with the only variable being the people who play them, it really makes you wonder. You don't want that then that is fine, noted. "situational" any map with a rock, wall, or building allows you to take advantage of the stabilizer. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. - Panther is a medium tank and cheaper to spawn. As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. 2. However it does not. And the T series has a thick turret but the tiger 2 has a better hull. The blinding effect happens but its not as bad as your saying it is. Only part of Germany that suffers is really top tier air. It's just so effective and has a good size-able ammunition pool. Just look at the Tiger 1H how many Heavy Tanks at 5.3 can roll up to 45 almost 50Km/h. Well technically everyone suffers but you would have clicked on this otherwise. LORRAINE 40T AT 7.7?? It depends; the objectives can be just as deadly for lightweights too. I don't have too much preference on maps as a matter of range. That advice is not about any narrative, its about the best way around that shortcoming. And the you said the atgms you made it sound like they were common place. But there almost no such maps in the game. 1. Well that's it I guess. Powered by Invision Community. I will keep the scope of this topic to relate to BRs 1.0 to 7.0 in RB, with the primary emphasis being on 4.X-5.X. You can go through things but often times you die. Really? And in realistic they are mainly on maps with japan fighting on one side. With things as they are with just a little more zeal in pursuing the objectives, Germany would do just fine. Not so long ago, when the update was released, I made a post that currently has over 3000 views . Depends on the BR really. I take the 110G into every BR range before radar SPAA. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. The stock ammo for them is useless! Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). Theres was no reason to add them for almost every US tanks in War Thunder. The T-72 is mediocre in forward mobility, and has a painful -4kph reverse. And that's just fighting american 6.7 with other 6.7s good luck in 5.7 vehicles when you get uptiered, lol. More to the point, your initial comment is THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. T92, T114 are the most common culprits but yes there are more. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . What plans do you have to try and tackle this issue? My general thoughts on what causes Germany to suffer: The Germans' main undoing are their teams--there's no doubt about it. I'm a regular war thunder player if you want to contact me= discord= TelDu3998we also have our own discord server https://dis. As a bad player I would say that German ground vehicles require a lot of patience to play effectively. Well suited for precision bombing, its 2 guaranteed kills. 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