Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! The ascending tunnel grade would be about 1.4% and the descending 3.3%, both reasonable. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. In fact, it makes pretty much every stop that the current B46SBS makes except for Winthrop, which IMO is not really deserving of a stop. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? 3 and 4 train service through East . Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards Parkchester on the 6. Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they 7. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Abandoned Stations List; . As you point out, the area already has subway service. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. No spidery stairwells going to the ground. But thats not necessarily for the bad. Half a political lifetime ago, Bill de Blasio seemed interested in extending transit to under-served neighborhoods on his own. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. 34 St- Penn Station. Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. I, My 6) above, stacking the tracks. What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. Just skip it. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. But what Im proposing, and what Im sure no City plan would dare propose, is that the line not run above the center of the avenue such as existing elevated but rather along private land on the west side of the street. But thats how I see it. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Skip stop on Fulton? And normal service would still be able to run. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. 11. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. Utica Avenue Subway Station. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. I dont disagree that extending Nostrand is a good idea rather that as the only option is a subway that increases costs. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. And on what route? Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. Got to be local? For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. 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